hey, i never said we couldnt be friends, not sure why you would even suggest otherwise..
youd have an easier job trying to "convince" me that my parents do not exist, by the way.. since all i can assert is that i exist, but not who/where i come from
why do you want physical observable scientific evidence of God, if you dont care to listen to it when i do offer it? this is a ridiculous request.. i laid out an air-tight, extensive, simple proof, that even a 5 year old could understand, and yet you rejected it (without addressing any of its points), talking about "the elite" and other such unrelated nonsense, and you quoted a movie thats been shown to have no regard for fact, and posted a list of "contradictions" and didnt bother to investigate the answer to ANY of them.. thats not scientific method, thats religion. just accept it already.
atheism is a most ardent religion including illogical dogmatic beliefs: everything came from nothing, self-creation of information, self-creation of the universe (claim about the cosmos), greater amount of information through a destructive process; including the ultimate, uncorroboratible dogmatic "there is no God" (this is a supernatural claim by the way, or else how could you claim this as true without having omniscience yourself).. you dont even allow for the possiblity.. if you did, youd say youre agnostic.. NOT atheist..
you even have clergy, and clerical attire: "scientists" in white lab coats; even a pope: dawkins!
scripture: darwin's "On the origin of species by means of natural selection or the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life" and anything by dawkins, hitchins.. et al
by the way, if you were truly and honestly interested in knowing if God exists, you would already have at least admitted deism.. instead of feigning openness, acknowledge that from nothing comes more nothing, and without God, you dont exist.. whatever the process you want to believe he chose to use, but your existence requires intelligence and power behind it.. not random, unguided powerless chance
DNA Proves Creation
Lee Strobel explains briefly how DNA and the human genome reveal God's clear instructions for His creation.
Did you know that in a letter to Asa Gray, a Harvard professor, Charles Darwin himself wrote:
''I am quite conscious that my speculations run quite beyond the bounds of true science.''
He speculated future discoveries might confirm his theory, yet they have only proved it false.
Skeptics: Can you think of one example of a mutation that has caused a true increase in genetic complexity? Evolution would require billions of them. Can you name just one?
'Sit all day by the door of your house and bark at anyone who comes in
or walks past. For this, I will give you a life span of twenty years.'
The dog said: 'That's a long time to be barking. How about only ten
years and I'll giv e you back the other ten?'
So God agreed.
On the second day, God created the monkey and said:
'Entertain people, do tricks, and make them laugh. For this, I'll give
you a twenty-year life span.'
The monkey said: 'Monkey tricks for twent y years? That's a pretty long
time to perform. How about I give you back ten like the Dog did?'
And God agreed.
On the third day, God created the cow and said:
'You must go into the field with the farmer all day long and suffer
under the sun, have calves and give milk to support the farmer's family.
For this, I will give you a life span of sixty years.'
The cow said: 'That's kind of a tough life you want me to live for sixty
years. How about twenty and I'll give back the other forty?'
And God agreed again.
On the fourth day, God created man and said:
'Eat, sleep, play, marry and enjoy your life. For this, I'll give you
twenty years.'
But man said: 'Only twenty years? Could you possibly give me my twenty,
the forty the cow gave back, the ten the monkey gave back, and the ten
the dog gave back; that makes eighty, okay?'
'Okay,' said God, 'You asked for it.'
So that is why for our first twenty years we eat, sleep, play and enjoy
ourselves. For the next forty years we slave in the sun to support our
family. For the next ten years we do monkey tricks to entertain the
grandchildren. And for the last ten years we sit on the front porch and
bark at everyone.
Life has now been explained to you.
There is no need to thank me for this valuable information. I'm doing it
as a public service.
usher in the era of collapsible videos!! (videos that dont immediately appear until you click the "view video" button which then makes it appear below.. this is so that your browser doesnt get stuck when it loads the blog.. as mine tends to do.. )
a really great video about the passage of time.. (not actually evolution at all..)
"Das Rad" (or, "The Wheel")
An animated short about the evolution of man through the perspective of two rocks on a hillside. The movie is in German with English subtitles.
i told a friend, who is now apparently a pantheist (in high school i thought he was a christian.. but then again i thought i was one too.. so there you have it), i could prove not only that God exists, but that He must exist.. and that pantheism doesnt work.. he said go ahead, so i sent him this:
well its pretty short, so i can do it all here.. so funny, i wasnt a christian in high school.. and now look.. heh.. anyhooze, its not an argument for deism, its an argument for the existence of a single eternal infinite personal (as in "having personality") God.. k, well here goes:
time is regressively finite, you cannot go infinitely into the past because to reach "now" there must have been a finite number of events or else we would never be "now". therefore there must have been a first event, and that event requires matter. the law of non-self creation, or "ex nihilo nihil fit" ("from nothing comes more nothing") there must be an agent outside of the limits of space and time, ie infinite and eternal, with the ability to create that is responsible for that first event. this is who/what we define as "God".. so not only does God exist, God MUST exist, due to the existence of everything around us. the question is more a matter of who/what we think this agent is.
pantheism doesnt work because everything cannot be God, since that would limit God to being bound by the limits of creation.. ie, space and time, and by definition and requirement God cannot be. therefore while creation comes from God, creation cannot be God.
deism actually doesnt work either, but is the safest bail out for those who wish to reject the existence of the god of any of the monotheistic religions. it doesnt work because it states that God "wound up" creation like a clock, and then let it go off on its own without intervention. this doesnt work due to many reasons, such as chaos theory, newtons second law of thermodynamics (entropy).. its funny, even evolution would require a capable guiding/controlling intelligent entity(or entities).. but forget evo for now (im a 6-day creationist, though not a 24-hour day, since a day in the bible is not limited to 24hours)
polytheism doesnt work either unless its multiple persons in a single God, due to the definition and requirement once again of God being infinite.. so it once again falls upon who you understand God to be.. so for example the doctrine of trinity (which is probably the most unexplainable one christianity has to offer) is viable, due to there being only one God, though manifested in 3 persons (the bible doesnt talk about one God in 3 manifestations, but 3 distinct persons within a single God) but if we were to have multiple gods, then which is the infinite one? which is the creator? and if any are "mortal", they no longer are infinite or eternal.. and hence fall out of the definition of God.. so it must only be one..
as for the personal part of God, ie, that He must be a personal God, can be argued due to the fact that creation required design (creativity) and therefore intelligence.. and intelligence and creativity require some form of personality ("personalness") this due to the decisions involved in creating creation the way it turned out, and it cant be claimed to have been random, since if it was, then that would rule out the infiniteness (in this case as manifested in omnipotence, or at least the ability to create).
so we have an infinite eternal personal God with the ability to create, and who is separate from His creation.. this leaves us with some form of monotheism.. such as the abrahamic faiths (islam, judaism, christianity)
and then it becomes a matter of seeking out which god it is that God is.. if indeed God is personal, it would be natural to see or expect some form of interaction with creation (other than maintaining it, ie keeping it from destroying itself for example) and thats where revelation kicks in.. of course, thats a bit trickier since thats where the logical and drier part of the proof ends and faith begins.. if God has chosen to reveal Himself, then how? well people who claim to receive messages from God are referred to as "prophets" and the bible says that the sign of a prophet is one of 100% inerrancy when speaking on behalf of God.. which means that we can go through the process of elimination to find which prophet or group of prophets seem to exhibit inerrancy.. which means that the catholic church, jehovas witnesses and mormons as well as a bunch of other fringe groups are out for example.
not sure what prophecies islam deals with, but for sure it defines itself as the opposite of christianity by explicitly stating that "allah did not beget a son nor was he begotten" so we can eliminate one by proving the other.. in Jesus alone (one quick google shows that) 360+ prophecies found in the old testament were fulfilled, of which 109 could have been fulfilled only by Jesus. so therefore, given the historicity of the person of Jesus, that proves in one fell swoop that the God revealed in the old testament is the true God, and we can therefore accept the new testament as fulfillment and therefore truth (unless we can find that errancy in either part.. which to this day i have yet to find) and that therefore eliminates islam.
on a personal note, however, i can tell you i have seen the bible proved to be true in my life through my faith (ie trust) in what is there written, and how dramatically my life has changed since that day i made the decision to give my life to Him who gave His life for me. remember how i used to graffiti all my notebooks with "life sucks", my self destructive manic depression, and all manner of other problems i exhibited? well, that stuff is now nowhere to be seen.. i enjoy life like crazy, no matter the circumstance (i have stories there too) and i can truly divide my life in half on that day in september 2001, when i decided to repent from my sins and accept that i was a sinner, and received that forgiveness through Jesus' atoning death on the cross. you see, the bible says the only thing that separates us from God is sin, the bad things we do. while in that state, God does not hear us, and we cannot have a relationship with Him. its only when those sins are paid in full that we can
wow .. holey, i guess it was a bit longer than i thought.. in any case, ask [bahb] too, in high school he was an atheist.. and some time after graduation he too accepted Christ.. and he's a solid christian too.. not a lot of people knew in high school all the problems i was going through.. trying to kill myself since the age of 10.. its nuts.. but the whole time, all i was lacking was God to enter my life and start cleaning up the mess id made of it.. anyways, let me know what you think
having only originally aimed to prove God exists and must exist, i ended up giving significant weight to the judeo-christian God (not sure if it is to be considered a full proof at the exclusion of other faiths, since i didnt really consider other monotheistic faiths.. let me do a quick search on what those are and post it in a bit.. ) cool eh?
warning, the following movie about the "religion of peace" contains some very very graphic images, be aware its not fiction, and be aware that it is all to be found inn the quran, the muslim "holy book", and the mouths of the most prominent muslim leaders fitna the movie
please join with me in prayer for the people enslaved by this religion of death, hate and fear. pray that they may desert the hate of the quran and trade it for the love of Jesus, who gave His life out of love for us, and who puts that love in our hearts that we may love even those who hate us, even those who wish our death and destruction, even those who would do these things to us.. pray that we may see the peace of our Lord reign in these people.. that they may turn away from their sins, their hate, and especially, their hate of God. in the name of Jesus, i ask these things. AMEN.
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